tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1960211300672291948.post4928329622746322211..comments2023-08-21T11:21:55.665-04:00Comments on John's Grace Walk (Mysterium Tremendum): Opening a Can of WormsJohn Fincherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05458897526460534434noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1960211300672291948.post-58851374631982567632008-12-13T05:50:00.000-05:002008-12-13T05:50:00.000-05:00Thanks for the clarification. I knew about the OT,...Thanks for the clarification. I knew about the OT, but I wasn't sure about the NT. Certainly the Anglo-Saxons used texts like the <I>Gospel of Nicodemus</I>, though admittedly more hesitantly than with the now-cannonical gospels.<BR/><BR/>I completely agree with you about the written word not being the final word. The written word is the starting place for a rich history of tradition and interpretation into which we, as Christians with Christ living within us, are invited to plunge. John 1 is so awesome, reassuring us that the Word is living and eternal....and Enidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04449087288715306947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1960211300672291948.post-34659142867078133452008-12-12T15:00:00.000-05:002008-12-12T15:00:00.000-05:00Alison,Short answer - yes. We have a pretty good i...Alison,<BR/>Short answer - yes. We have a pretty good idea of the OT - there's a longer tradition for it. One that was around at the time of Christ. Jesus himself probably used the Septuagint - a Greek translation from the original Hebrew.<BR/><BR/>As to the NT, I think there is enough manuscript evidence to say that we have a clear picture of the original reading of the letters that we now have in the modern "Bible". <BR/><BR/>If you will notice, you have the four Gospels, then Acts, then Paul's letters from longest to shortest (not chronologically), the remaining letters from longest to shortest, and then Revelation.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure about the apocryphal letters and how to use them.<BR/><BR/>I do think some things are lost to the mists of time. But Paul tells us that we see thru a glass darkly. <BR/><BR/>That's why I think it's dangerous to think that the written word is the final word. We also have the living Word inside of us.John Fincherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05458897526460534434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1960211300672291948.post-63754285410891280562008-12-12T13:52:00.000-05:002008-12-12T13:52:00.000-05:00John, I'm not entirely sure any Bible can legitima...John, I'm not entirely sure any Bible can legitimately be said to be the Bible of the primitive church. There cannon of scripture took a long time to develop--the Church Fathers often quote from the deuterocannonical/apocraphal books which most modern Bibles don't have.<BR/><BR/>Am I wrong on this? Are we sure there is a solid, verified manuscript tradition of the Bible of the primitive church....and Enidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04449087288715306947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1960211300672291948.post-36748765586527368352008-12-08T18:32:00.000-05:002008-12-08T18:32:00.000-05:00Gary,Thanks for the insight. I had forgotten about...Gary,<BR/>Thanks for the insight. I had forgotten about that argument AGAINST modern versions. What I have read by the KJVO people can be downright disengenuous if not outright deceitful to make their point.<BR/><BR/>I don't understand the need to protect a particular translation -one that is not even in the original language!<BR/><BR/>Joel,<BR/>Thanks also. I don't claim to be an expert either, but I do believe I've read enough on the subject to have at least an INFORMED opinion.<BR/><BR/>I think using several different versions is another way to get a flavor for a particular passage.<BR/><BR/>Also, I LOVED your idea of an authorized French version.John Fincherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05458897526460534434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1960211300672291948.post-4855401933964374762008-12-08T11:58:00.000-05:002008-12-08T11:58:00.000-05:00Can of worms? What? No one ever has any argument...Can of worms? What? No one ever has any arguments over Bible versions!!! ;)<BR/><BR/>Interesting information here. It's true that there are people on all sides who make various arguments. I personally have no opinion either way, having not really looked into all this <I>all</I> that much.<BR/><BR/>I do see some very stark differences in some translations, and that usually sends me to a lexicon, just to see what the original word was, but I'm truly no expert when it comes to complete discernment as to the best translation(s).Joel Bruesekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10395847887953875757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1960211300672291948.post-55619417561897462762008-12-08T09:33:00.000-05:002008-12-08T09:33:00.000-05:00John,Thanks for the follow up. I know there are m...John,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the follow up. I know there are many books written on both side of the issue and I won't claim to have read them all or even most of them. It is interesting the point Comfort makes because I have heard a similar argument against the newer versions. That is substituting "He" or "the One" for Jesus Christ, and thus confusing or lessoning Jesus Christ's title or deity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com